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Ep. 55 6 October 2026

What Law Firms Should Do After The AI Training

Jan Roggen

Law firms are asking how AI can make work more efficient. Jan Roggen argues that efficiency is only the first step. We discuss how firms can make better AI decisions, build lasting adoption, and reinvest the time they save into innovation and new ways of working.

How This Personal Injury Trial Attorney Built a Claude Skill Ecosystem
Ep. 54 29 September 2026

How This Personal Injury Trial Attorney Built a Claude Skill Ecosystem

with Andrew Haling

What happens when a personal injury firm choses Claude over a specialized legal AI? Andrew Haling shares how he built a Claude skill ecosystem around his own way of practicing, and why judgment, supervision and firm knowledge matter more than any prompt.

What It Takes to Become an AI-Ready Lawyer
Ep. 53 22 September 2026

What It Takes to Become an AI-Ready Lawyer

with Lauren E. Diaz

AI is changing how lawyers learn, work and develop, but the fundamentals still matter. We discuss what good AI training looks like, how firms can build real capability, and why technology works best when it strengthens rather than replaces legal judgment.

From Prompts to Skills: Running your Law Firm on Claude AI Operating System
Ep. 52 15 September 2026

From Prompts to Skills: Running your Law Firm on Claude AI Operating System

with Mike Bittner

What does it look like when a lawyer runs his practice on an legal AI operating system? Mike Bittner shares how he uses Claude, AI skills and agentic workflows to run a solo practice, from contract review and matter setup to timekeeping, billing and institutional knowledge.

How a 15 Year Litigator Actually Uses AI
Ep. 51 8 September 2026

How a 15 Year Litigator Actually Uses AI

with Nitesh Daryanani

How should lawyers use Claude for litigation and legal research? Nitesh Daryanani walks through a live legal research workflow with Claude using Midpage for finding and verifying cases. We also discuss hallucinations, legal judgment, MCP connectors and the future of general and specialized legal AI tools.

Beyond Chatbots: How Lawyers Actually Learn AI
Ep. 50 1 September 2026

Beyond Chatbots: How Lawyers Actually Learn AI

with Veronica Lopez

More AI tools is not what lawyers need to hear. They need to learn how to use one well. I sit down with Veronica Lopez to talk about moving beyond prompting, building Skills and workflows, learning under firm constraints, and why deeper AI knowledge makes you a smarter buyer and practitioner.

AI Can Do the Work. Who Is Responsible for the Thinking?
Ep. 49 25 August 2026

AI Can Do the Work. Who Is Responsible for the Thinking?

with Wendy Jephson

The value was never in the work product. It was in the thinking that went into it. So how do you get that thinking out of a lawyer's head and into an AI playbook? Legal AI, know-how, judgment, cognitive offloading, and what's really left as a law firm's moat.

A Lawyer's Practical Method for Working With AI
Ep. 48 18 August 2026

A Lawyer's Practical Method for Working With AI

with Aleksandra Czubek

How a lawyer at a big international firm uses AI without Harvey or Legora: breaking legal work into steps, building a Claude skill for NIS2 assessments, contract review workflows, and a sensible take on client data confidentiality under GDPR. Practical legal AI for lawyers who feel behind.

From $1M to a $50M Verdict: AI, Case Value and the Plaintiff Law Firm
Ep. 47 11 August 2026

From $1M to a $50M Verdict: AI, Case Value and the Plaintiff Law Firm

with Casey O'Grady

Can a law firm still compete in ten years without restructuring around AI? Inside Blueshoe, an AI-native plaintiff law firm: rebuilding legal intake with agents, hiring lawyers who use AI well, case valuation with data, and where partners should start with AI.

Do Law Firms Need a Managed AI Partner?
Ep. 46 4 August 2026

Do Law Firms Need a Managed AI Partner?

with Kim Mason

Only 4.5% of people paying for Microsoft Copilot actually use it. So where does AI adoption fit when everyone is already overworked? Kim Mason on training drips per role, why the first months slow you down before any ROI, and whether your IT partner can take you further.

Own the Value, Rent the Model: What Law Firms Should Build with AI
Ep. 45 28 July 2026

Own the Value, Rent the Model: What Law Firms Should Build with AI

with Sarah Eldon Cullen

Clients are showing up with the draft already written. So where does a lawyer's value sit now? Sarah Eldon Cullen on the 80/20 split, why knowledge management is the real moat, and what vendor lock-in costs boutique law firms. Legal AI, AI strategy, and the Nordic view.

Legal AI, Open Source and the Future of Law Firms
Ep. 44 21 July 2026

Legal AI, Open Source and the Future of Law Firms

with Horatiu Druma Strugariu

When should a law firm buy a point solution instead of just using Claude? Horatiu Druma-Strugariu on where legal AI is heading, why litigation resists automation, why knowledge management shouldn't be treated as a supporting function, and why firms may end up looking a lot like banks.

Beyond the DMS: Building the Context Layer for Legal AI
Ep. 43 14 July 2026

Beyond the DMS: Building the Context Layer for Legal AI

with Dillon Harindiran

Who do you trust to hold your law firm's institutional knowledge, and what happens when your vendor becomes your competitor? Dillon Harindiran on why knowledge management has been stuck for decades, why your DMS matters less than you think, the shift to usage-based pricing in legal AI, and how every matter is really a story.

This Lawyer Used Legal AI Every Day for 2 Years. Here's What Works
Ep. 42 7 July 2026

This Lawyer Used Legal AI Every Day for 2 Years. Here's What Works

with Denisa Kopandi

How a senior associate uses AI to reviews contracts, runs due diligence, and does legal research without getting burned by hallucinations. Prompting tricks, a verification ritual, why playbooks break in civil law jurisdictions, and how to actually evaluate legal AI vendors.

The Junior Lawyer Paradox in The Age of AI
Ep. 41 30 June 2026

The Junior Lawyer Paradox in The Age of AI

with Goerge Hannah

Will AI automate the junior lawyer out of existence and who wins legal AI, the tools or the model makers? George Hannah on the junior lawyer paradox, foundation models pushing into legal, Harvey vs Legora vs open source, whether data is still the moat, and where a lawyer who's fallen behind should start.

The 10x Lawyer: How Small Firms Now Outperform Corporate Giants
Ep. 40 23 June 2026

The 10x Lawyer: How Small Firms Now Outperform Corporate Giants

with Oscar Octavio Hinojosa Guerra

Inside an AI-native boutique law firm: 19 Claude agents, no code, 21 years of legal judgment. Oscar Octavio Hinojosa Guerra explains the 10x lawyer, his adversarial agent Hans, and why a four-lawyer firm in Mexico beats Big Law with faster, better, and cheaper service. And why he's still the final gate on every document.

When Does AI Start Making Money for Law Firms?
Ep. 39 16 June 2026

When Does AI Start Making Money for Law Firms?

with Kaichen Xu

AI is about to break the billable hour and Kaichen Xu has modeled exactly when. Kaichen (founder of AI Lawyer Lab, ex-BigLaw partner and unicorn GC) breaks down the 30-50% automation threshold where a fixed fee beats the billable hour, why redesigning whole workflows beats automating tasks one by one, and what running a pilot practice, not a pilot project, actually looks like.

Two Legal AI Insiders on Testing AI Agents in Law Firms
Ep. 38 9 June 2026

Two Legal AI Insiders on Testing AI Agents in Law Firms

with Pranav Anand & Elgar Weijtmans

Inside the AI labs two law firm insiders run to test bleeding edge AI before any tool reaches client work. We discuss agentic AI in law firms, the sandbox strategy that kills shadow IT, how experimentation saves firms from bad legal AI decisions, and knowledge management with AI.

Creator of MikeOSS: What Law Firms Get When They Buy Harvey and Legora
Ep. 37 2 June 2026

Creator of MikeOSS: What Law Firms Get When They Buy Harvey and Legora

with Will Chen

Will Chen built Mike OSS, an open source legal AI alternative to Harvey and Legora, in 2 weeks. Now GitHub's fastest growing legal AI project. We discuss legal AI pricing, Harvey vs Legora, open source for law firms, and data sovereignty in legal tech.

Infrastructure, Knowledge, and the Missing Piece of Legal AI
Ep. 36 26 May 2026

Infrastructure, Knowledge, and the Missing Piece of Legal AI

with Melina Efstathiou

Legal AI is dead. But is it? Melina Efstathiou thinks differently. In this episode, we explore the three pillars of AI readiness for law firms - infrastructure, knowledge, and the human side. We talk about where a partner should start, her RAC framework for AI governance, and her take on the recent marketing narrative of legal AI vendor.

Eight Years in Legal Tech. What Changed?
Ep. 35 19 May 2026

Eight Years in Legal Tech. What Changed?

with Horace Wu

Horace Wu spent 8 years building Syntheia after practicing at Shearman & Sterling, DLA Piper, and King & Wood Mallesons. We talk the state of legal data, why Microsoft doesn't need Copilot to be good, why we are trying to measure AI ROI in a wrong way, and what he'd tell himself 8 years ago.

A Lawyer's Experiment: Inside Helen Fan's OpenClaw LLP
Ep. 34 12 May 2026

A Lawyer's Experiment: Inside Helen Fan's OpenClaw LLP

with Helen Fan

Helen Fan on building an AI-native law firm: OpenClaw LLP, the Legal AI Value Stack, and the 5-step transformation roadmap for boutique law firms. We cover AI agents in legal practice, building skills, AI transparency, and why boutiques are best positioned to win with AI.

If You Take AI Out, Does Your Law Firm Break?
Ep. 33 5 May 2026

If You Take AI Out, Does Your Law Firm Break?

with Jiyun Hyo

Lawyers spend roughly 2/3 of their day on work that doesn't need a JD. Jiyun Hyo, founder and CEO of Givance is betting an MSO can take all of that off their plate, backed by angels from Meta AI, Google, and NVIDIA. We get into the AI-native test, agents vs workflows, and where vibe coding hits walls.

What 1200+ Hallucinated Citations Teach Us About Legal AI
Ep. 32 28 April 2026

What 1200+ Hallucinated Citations Teach Us About Legal AI

with Damien Charlotin

Cambridge-trained international arbitration lawyer, Senior Research Fellow at HEC Paris, and builder of the most referenced AI hallucination database in legal, Damien Charlotin, on why specialized legal AI tools might actually lead to more hallucinations, the data problem blocking AI adoption, and a fresh take on where legal AI competition is coming from.

Enhancement Over Efficiency: The Mindset Shift for Lawyers Using AI
Ep. 31 21 April 2026

Enhancement Over Efficiency: The Mindset Shift for Lawyers Using AI

with Kyle Bahr

23 years in legal, now AI Innovation Manager at Cleary Gottlieb: Kyle Bahr on why enhancement beats efficiency as the mindset for legal AI, what 1,000+ hallucination cases actually tell us about the profession (it’s not what you think), and the cognitive load of managing AI agents that nobody is talking about yet.

AI Is Forcing Law to Become What It Should Have Been
Ep. 30 14 April 2026

AI Is Forcing Law to Become What It Should Have Been

with Anastasia Boyko

Anastasia Boyko has seen legal from every angle - big law, Axiom, Yale Law School, university CIO, legal AI at Filevine. We talked about why firms that get clear on their purpose make better AI decisions, why curiosity fades after law school, and why the AI champion keeps burning out.

From AI Policy to AI Governance
Ep. 29 7 April 2026

From AI Policy to AI Governance

with Paul Crafer

You're one prompt injection away from leaking client data and most law firms don't have governance in place. Paul Crafer, VP EMEA of Assessed Intelligence breaks down how to actually operationalize AI governance before something goes wrong.

The $4,000/Hour Lawyer Isn't Selling Legal Work
Ep. 28 31 March 2026

The $4,000/Hour Lawyer Isn't Selling Legal Work

with Ben Chiriboga

Lawyers worry AI will wipe out their careers. Ben Chiriboga, founder of the talent platform Reframe.lawyer spent a decade in legal tech and rejects that framing entirely, because the historical record of technology and upskilling says something different.

Should Law Firms Build Their AI Agents?
Ep. 27 24 March 2026

Should Law Firms Build Their AI Agents?

with Anna Guo

AI is moving from chatbots to autonomous systems. Anna Guo, founder of Legal Benchmarks and a former legal counsel in Google and Ant Group on how legal AI benchmarking is evolving, why agentic tools change the evaluation problem, and how law firms should think about build vs buy decisions, guardrails, and responsible AI adoption.

The Law Firm With No Billable Hours
Ep. 26 17 March 2026

The Law Firm With No Billable Hours

with J.P. Mohler

Episode with J.P. Mohler, Co-Founder of General Legal, a YC-backed AI-native law firm, on rethinking commercial contracts through flat-fee pricing, AI-first workflows, lawyer oversight, and faster turnaround. A practical discussion on legal tech, law firm economics, and client expectations.

The Trust Problem in Legal Tech: You Only Get One Shot
Ep. 25 7 March 2026

The Trust Problem in Legal Tech: You Only Get One Shot

with Kaj Rozga

Kaj Rozga (16+ years across government, BigLaw, in-house) on how GenAI changes the value proposition and why trust is easy to lose. We cover pilot strategy, workflow fit, champions, internal capacity, existing tools vs new vendors, and a sober view of how fast the legal market will actually shift.

AI Won’t Solve Your Conflicts: A Mediator’s Reality Check
Ep. 24 28 February 2026

AI Won’t Solve Your Conflicts: A Mediator’s Reality Check

with Gayk Ayvazyan

Gayk Ayvazyan, corporate lawyer and a mediator discusses how the pace AI creates is generating a new category of conflict, why mediation may be one of the last professional contexts where AI hits a hard wall, and what a decade of working with founders teaches you about the gap between signing up for a tool and actually using it.

Garfield AI: World's First Regulated AI-Native Law Firm
Ep. 23 21 February 2026

Garfield AI: World's First Regulated AI-Native Law Firm

with Philip Young

What happens when a litigator also thinks like a builder? Philip Young, CEO & Co-Founder of Garfield AI, explains how they built a regulated AI-driven legal service for small debt recovery. We dive into why legal automation succeeds only when the workflow is structured, bounded, and designed around real court stages and talk about systems engineering vs legal process, why advocacy should stay human, and how a regulated AI law firm thinks about safety and accountability.

EU AI Act, GDPR, NIST: Making Sense of Europe's AI Rulebook
Ep. 22 14 February 2026

EU AI Act, GDPR, NIST: Making Sense of Europe's AI Rulebook

with Dr. Dusan Pavlovic

AI governance & regulation by technology with Dr. Dusan Pavlovic (REA Independent Ethics Expert; UNDP AI advisor; data protection specialist). We discuss why enforcement is hard, why standards matter, why autonomy changes accountability, and why transparency is the limiting constraint in legal grade AI.

Most Law Firms Don't Have a Real AI Strategy (And How to Fix It)
Ep. 21 7 February 2026

Most Law Firms Don't Have a Real AI Strategy (And How to Fix It)

with Eve Vlemincx

Law firm AI strategy is mostly cosmetics. In this podcast, Eve Vlemincx (Stanford GSB facilitator, HBR Advisory Council, author “The Legal SHIFT”) explains what real strategy looks like: incentives, culture, governance, and why 70% of AI rollouts fail in law. If you’re a managing partner trying to separate AI governance from AI theatre, this is an episode worth watching.

From PwC to Boutique: Law Firm That Builds Its Own Tools
Ep. 20 31 January 2026

From PwC to Boutique: Law Firm That Builds Its Own Tools

with Luke Pigram

Big Law has ideas. Boutique firms have speed. And Sierra Legal has an unfair advantage: lawyers who can actually build legal software. In this podcast, Luke Pigram breaks down how a remote-first firm built its own control center and added AI only after the operational foundations were in place. This episode covers internal legal ops automation, secure GenAI use, and what real adoption looks like beyond prompt libraries and vendor hype.

Gender Bias, Deepfakes & AI Harm: What Lawyers Need to Know
Ep. 19 24 January 2026

Gender Bias, Deepfakes & AI Harm: What Lawyers Need to Know

with Jean Gan

In this episode, I sit down with Jean Gan, Senior In-House Legal Counsel and founder of Global Legal AI and AIgnite Women, to talk about AI governance from the inside. We cover why legal responsibility can’t be delegated to tools and how in-house teams should think about AI risk before adoption.

The Legal AI Vendor Checklist Law Firms Don’t Use
Ep. 18 17 January 2026

The Legal AI Vendor Checklist Law Firms Don’t Use

with Elgar Weijtmans

Legal AI isn't magic. Elgar Weijtmans, Head of Technology at HVG Law explains how most vendors use the same AI models. We cover what actually matters under the hood, ISO/SOC2 claims, agent risks&pitfalls and how law firms should audit legal tech vendors.

AI Governance Explained: How Law Firms Can Stay Compliant Without Slowing Down
Ep. 17 10 January 2026

AI Governance Explained: How Law Firms Can Stay Compliant Without Slowing Down

with Neil Jennings

Neil Jennings, founder of GLF Strategic Compliance, breaks down AI governance, privacy risk, and cross-border regulation. We discuss AI not being a silver bullet, California vs EU AI rules, shadow AI, bias, dark patterns, and how firms should define purpose, risk tolerance, and governance before adopting AI.

Designing the New Legal Operating Model
Ep. 16 3 January 2026

Designing the New Legal Operating Model

with Vaishali Gopal

In this conversation, Vaishali Gopal, VP of legal innovation at Counselect, shares a practical approach to legal ops transformation: business alignment, process-first design, data/knowledge foundations, automation vs AI, contract playbooks, change management, and build vs buy for legal tech.

Why Legal AI Adoption Is Failing (And What Actually Works)
Ep. 15 27 December 2025

Why Legal AI Adoption Is Failing (And What Actually Works)

with Lindsay Kim Chung

Legal AI for corporate investigations. Lindsay Kim Chung, CEO and founder of TensorCase on evidence review, investigation workflows beyond chatbots, explainable AI outputs, and secure handling of sensitive compliance data.

How Legal Tech Helps Legal Teams Grow Faster (Data, AI Tools, and More)
Ep. 14 20 December 2025

How Legal Tech Helps Legal Teams Grow Faster (Data, AI Tools, and More)

with Martin Ertl & Kurt Collins

Conversation with Martin Ertl (CEO) and Kurt Collins (Chief of Staff) from Recital on why contract and legal AI tools fail when they pull lawyers out of Word and email.

The Big Mistake Every Legal Team Makes when it Comes to using AI
Ep. 13 13 December 2025

The Big Mistake Every Legal Team Makes when it Comes to using AI

with Bo Kinloch

CLMs, Power Automate, and custom AI. What actually works for legal teams, and what just adds noise.

The Future of Legal Teams and Law Firms in the Age of AI
Ep. 12 6 December 2025

The Future of Legal Teams and Law Firms in the Age of AI

with Lev Loukhton

Former BigLaw M&A partner Lev Loukhton explains how AI is reshaping law firms, from adoption pressures to real-world value. Lev left the practice to become a legal tech investor, founder of GrayHair Venture Partners and in this conversation, we cover data foundations, privacy tradeoffs, and what separates winning legal tech from hype.

AI Data Security: The One Thing Every Lawyer Gets Wrong
Ep. 11 29 November 2025

AI Data Security: The One Thing Every Lawyer Gets Wrong

with Stephen Currie

A lawyer explains AI risks, data threats, and what firms must fix before using GenAI. With Stephen Currie.

Can AI Really Handle Legal Redaction Better Than Humans?
Ep. 10 22 November 2025

Can AI Really Handle Legal Redaction Better Than Humans?

with Willie Zhou

AI for eDiscovery & redaction: reliable LLM systems, human-in-loop review, risk control with Willie Zhou, founder of Redacto.

Only Use AI in Your Legal Firm AFTER Doing This
Ep. 9 15 November 2025

Only Use AI in Your Legal Firm AFTER Doing This

with Frode Nilssen

Cloud Act, GDPR, RAG & offline legal AI: building safer law firm systems with Frode Nilssen.

AI for Lawyers: ChatGPT, Guardrails, and Hallucinations
Ep. 8 8 November 2025

AI for Lawyers: ChatGPT, Guardrails, and Hallucinations

with Sara Pfrommer

How one appellate lawyer uses ChatGPT without hallucinated cases or shortcuts (public data only!).

The Real Fix for AI Hallucinations in Law
Ep. 7 1 November 2025

The Real Fix for AI Hallucinations in Law

with Ali Mohammed

Legal AI without hallucinations & Ali Mohammed: workflows, citation checks & email-first tools.

He Automated 90% of Legal Work Without AI, Here's How
Ep. 6 25 October 2025

He Automated 90% of Legal Work Without AI, Here's How

with Justin Turman

Legal ops for law firms & in-house counsel with Justin Turman. Data, processes, and workflows.

AI Automation Use Cases in the Legal Industry w/Knut-Magnar Aanestad (Saga Legal)
Ep. 5 18 October 2025

AI Automation Use Cases in the Legal Industry w/Knut-Magnar Aanestad (Saga Legal)

with Knut-Magnar Aanestad

Knut-Magnar Aanestad (Saga Legal) on AI discipline, legal reasoning & workflow automation.

Buying Legal AI: A Founder Explains What Actually Works
Ep. 4 11 October 2025

Buying Legal AI: A Founder Explains What Actually Works

with Srinidhi Ranganathan

Srinidhi Ranganathan on legal tech: AI wrappers, hallucinations, data privacy in legal AI tools.

AI Adoption in the Legal Space, Best Practices to Follow
Ep. 3 4 October 2025

AI Adoption in the Legal Space, Best Practices to Follow

with Jason T. Marett

Legal AI adoption with Jason Marett: data hygiene, governance, insurance, and malpractice risks.

Legal Research Breakthroughs: Building Reliable AI for Court Decisions
Ep. 2 27 September 2025

Legal Research Breakthroughs: Building Reliable AI for Court Decisions

with Luka Jakopovic

From data scientist to legal AI founder: Luka Jakopovic, founder of Mikai, legal research tool.

Making AI Useful in Law: Data, Process, and Evaluation
Ep. 1 20 September 2025

Making AI Useful in Law: Data, Process, and Evaluation

with Emma Kelly

AI legal tech expert Emma Kelly on eDiscovery evolution, firm adoption & safe AI evaluation.

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